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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 717

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for the 3rd of july 2022

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richard saunders coming to you from the

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sidewalk here in oakland california

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having a uh a bit of an early morning

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exercise walk

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coming up on this week's show i catch up

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with the local skeptics the bay area

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skeptics

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we have a rather nice lunch

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and dr eugenie scott

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will tell us all about the upcoming

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skeptical convention

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an online convention with speakers from

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all over the world and

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what a uh what a pleasure it was to see

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as the buses rumble by

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following that it's the australian

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skeptics newsletter read once again

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by adrian hill in canada thank you very

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much adrian

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let's see what's uh making

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skeptical news this week

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then

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to round off the show

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some

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interesting reports from australian

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newspapers mostly jewish as it happens

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about yuri gellar remember him oh yes

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spoons and everything else

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although it's uh summertime here in

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the fog has come over

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it's quite amazing

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and there's a bit of rain which is fog

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which is a bit strange

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so no matter where you are in the world

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no matter where you are i hope you're

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keeping warm

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especially if you're in the southern

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hemisphere at the moment or like me in

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oakland where it's

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cloudy and cool keep warm

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now it's time for me to keep walking and

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who knows i might be able to find a nice

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onion bagel while i do that

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jay diamond where are we

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we're in the middle of silicon valley

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i'm i'm having a wonderful day here it's

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a blue sky look at that it was fog this

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morning but the blue sky's back and this

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is a gathering of the local skeptics it

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was just i'm just so touched that you

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all would drive so far in electric cars

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to come and

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come and have lunch with me but

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we're waiting for some more people i

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think

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we i mean i've got a hybrid so i'm

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cheating you don't okay well but you you

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cam on your motorcycle probably

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i have a car and have a motorcycle both

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gas

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i'm living in the 20th century still

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i'm looking around the table and i'm i'm

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seeing

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here richard was commenting how oh

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there's another tesla oh there's another

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tesla oh there's a prius everything's a

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prius

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welcome to the bay area thank you we

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drove here in um yeah mentions um

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what model of tesla just

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it's a tesla model three

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four wheel drive long distance yeah

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nice ride over the bay bridge and then

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it parked itself

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and you weren't even in the car and it

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parked itself so

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now here's the thing for the last three

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years no one's gone anywhere

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so it's really nice that all these

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electric cars are saving us money but

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we're not going anywhere

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and i had the pleasure of being in

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leonard trump's tesla

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yesterday yesterday

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as we walked around the chabot space

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center and what a thrill that was that

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lovely uh lovely bit of time yeah and

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just across the parking lot uh to a

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beautiful redwood forest yeah that was

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just just a

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lovely change of uh scenery that's up in

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the oakland hills and the fog was

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drifting through and it was

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raining a bit of fog which was

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interesting you know nice and cool and

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beautiful greg

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gregory and

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listeners you'll know this man because

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of this sound

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that's the dice machine

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and you're the man who supplied me with

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that dice machine i was the one who

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gifted you that wonderful little

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randomizer for your dice for your

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dice game at the end of the show

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and it works it works very well but

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let's get down to business genie

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conference is coming up

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please tell me and you're wearing the

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science sees father it says

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skeptical 2022 and the logo is the james

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webb the james webb array the telescope

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that all the mirrors like the honeycomb

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reminds me of honeycomb what can you

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tell us about the upcoming conference

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it is going to be great and people in

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australia can listen to it

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we have a remarkable list of speakers um

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bill nye the science guy is appealing

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appearing at skeptical yes yeah heard of

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him heard of him

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but also steve novella from skeptic's

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guide to the universe a number of other

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kenny biddle from cfi

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the investigative website that does such

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a good job on any number of stories but

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also conspiracies and

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various claims of cuckoo stuff that we

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skeptics are quite interested in as well

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it's going to be online so everybody in

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the world can can be there in fact

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there's a panel that we're going to have

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on dealing with

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uh will dealing with denialism and

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people who have trouble accepting facts

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on things and we have one speaker from

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australia one speaker from england and

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one speaker from california so

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we will be international we certainly

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invite all international attendees as

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well you can go to skepticalcon.com

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and register it's cheap

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and it'll be two days in the middle of

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july july 16th and 17th preceded of

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course by our usual skeptics in the pub

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which is fun but it's also going to have

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a number of other really fun things in

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addition to the stellar speakers that

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we are going to be the very first

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skeptic organization to have a virtual

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reality program

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we have created we this is the royal we

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had nothing to do with us whatsoever we

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have very competent people working on

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this i'm not one of them

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what residual competence i have is

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elsewhere anyway we have set up

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skeptics in virtual reality that's one

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opportunities isn't it or is that it is

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that's skeptics in the metaverse yeah so

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we're doing skeptics in the pub and

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skeptics in the metaverse

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you mean meta as in metaverse you mean

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no goggles or well so you can use

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goggles or you can use a pc i've got

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i do not so i'll be going in on my pc so

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the listeners with goggles maybe they've

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got the oculus or whatever it is

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we're the first to do it

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it's gonna be great we have one one of

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our board members is uh very excited to

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uh to create this

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he's an enthusiast

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and we said go for it

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fascinating there will be you can

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register you have to register to attend

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any of the events whether the events are

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free or the

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paid events you have to register you can

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register as a as a

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paid participant as it were and then you

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can go to all of the talks as well as

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the free stuff or you can just register

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and attend the free stuff so go to

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skepticalcon.com and check it out

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there's lots of innovative things going

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on in skeptical 1920.

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reality in the 20s that nobody even knew

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long and illustrious history hasn't it

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yeah this is the 12th year isn't it

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something like yeah we had to take off

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our our shoes to count it all the other

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the crowd it's going to be fun i had the

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fun skepperdy is a skeptic's version of

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i do have a break what is the name of

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just hugely fun that is one of the paid

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events ladies and gentlemen so please do

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register for real but bill nye is going

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to be one of the contestants

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and who's the third one

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sceparity panel is going to be a whole

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year yeah you were there for the magic

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the magic yes we had you there for the

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magic

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that's right

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and that guy's name eludes me it's

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robert strong robert strong and uh who

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did magic tricks for us all around the

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world we were going what how did he do

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that that was great fun that was great

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recent events the last two years that

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the local area bay area skeptics are

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out there doing things well um one of

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the interesting things was taking this

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we're going to get some talent that we

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would otherwise not get people from

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comedy of skepticism where we have a

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from all over the place that are

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dazzling us with with their discussion

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what you can't see with you is this

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jeannie has taken off her uh coat turned

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around to reveal all the speakers on the

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back of the t-shirt the official t-shirt

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look at that

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just consider this jay's cheat sheet

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including including let me see now oh

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susan

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certainly did

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earn this is doing trivia she's doing

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the sunday papers so we have uh skeptics

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from around the world doing sunday

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papers that's marshall from skeptics

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with a k absolutely so he's he's on one

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of our panels celestia all the names you

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know people celestia ward um mick west

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mcqueen's gonna be on one of our panels

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he's of course uh uh talking to true

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fantastic what a line up and

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what a backbone genie is showing us here

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well folks of course needless to say uh

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all the links that you could want about

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this event coming up are in this week's

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show notes but personally thank you

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everybody for making this trip down to

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san francisco it's wonderful to see

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everybody we're still waiting on some

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more people to arrive

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but since i haven't seen you all for two

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and a half years this is this is quite a

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treat so thank you everybody

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the treat is all ours

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thank you jay

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hi this is brian dunning as part of

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national science week in australia

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canberra skeptics will be hosting a free

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screening of my latest documentary

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science friction

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this will be on sunday the 14th of

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august at 1pm king o'malley's pub 131

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city walk in canberra

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so what is it all about well you know

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those tv documentaries you see and the

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science experts they feature did you

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know that producers often edit them out

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of context and twist their words to make

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it seem like they promoted some pop

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sensationalism instead of the real facts

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science friction exposes this practice

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and gives the scientists a chance to

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clear the record

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you will be shocked to see how the media

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that's sunday the 14th of august at 1pm

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at king o'malley's pub for further

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information about this free event please

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thank you and i hope you all raise a

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glass to help promote science and

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truth-telling in the media i know i

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certainly will and please enjoy the film

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hello everyone this is adrian hill from

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canada recently returned from

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newfoundland

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the province of beautiful scenery great

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people with quite a different canadian

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accent than my own moose and puffins

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i'm here to read the highlights from the

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australian skeptics newsletter

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this is newsletter number 151

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you can subscribe to this newsletter and

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get it delivered to your inbox every

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other week

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complete with links to all the stories

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but now let's see what tim endum has for

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us this week

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hi all says tim

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another selection of the weird and

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wonderful from fish falling from the sky

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to the australian vaccination network

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suffering a major and expensive failing

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in a recent court case and that's just

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for starters

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read on

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tim

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skepticon 2022 from november 26th to the

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27th

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the 2022 annual australian skeptics

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national convention or skepticon for

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2022 will be held at the national

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library in canberra on the weekend of

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november 26th through 27th

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there will also be streaming of sessions

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for those unable to attend and social

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events beforehand and during the

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convention sounds fun wish i could go

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among the key speakers will be an

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international contingent made up of

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claire klingenberg chair of the european

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council of skeptical organizations and

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co-organizer of the czech paranormal

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challenge

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as well as the hosts of the european

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skeptics addicts or esp

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all being well and in this day and age

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there are always the possibilities of

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changes it will be the first

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face-to-face convention since 2019.

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we look forward to seeing you there

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further details and ticket sales will be

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avn ordered to pay costs in anti-vaxx

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case

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if you have read the june 2022 issue of

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the skeptic you'll know that the

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australian

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anti-vaccination network tried to get

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children's coveted vaccines banned

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through a court case it lost good thing

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without even getting to a proper trial

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because the judge considered the avn

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didn't have any standing the avian's

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description of itself as the quote peak

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vaccine organization in australia end

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quote a leading body among such

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organizations and a quote leading source

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of information on vaccines end quote was

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somewhat overstated in fact the judge

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called it a bear assertion without any

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evidence

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the avn has now been ordered to pay

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costs which would likely be substantial

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it has set up a campaign to raise funds

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authorized paranormal investigation

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cemetery tours should be banned

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paranormal investigation tours in a

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queensland cemetery have been criticized

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by local historians as disrespectful

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suggesting they should be banned the

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tours go beyond the usual historical

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ghost tours and employ quote typical

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ghost hunting tools such as

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electromagnetic field meter a spirit box

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designed to pick up radio waves

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and a temperature gauge end quote

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the person who runs the hour and a half

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program says the investigations were

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polite and devices used were benign

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quote there's no attempt to actually try

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and channel a ghost or make a ghost

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enter somebody or speak to the beyond

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end quote and probably little chance of

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actually finding something real

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fish fall in texarkana explained

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anyone who is a fan of fortian

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paranormalities will know about fish

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falling from the sky not to mention frog

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falls and crucifix falls

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sharon hill a skeptical u.s researcher

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and paul cropper a longtime

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cryptozoologist investigator from

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australia have put forward an

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explanation for a recent fall of fish

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over the u.s town of texarkana a flock

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of birds may have regurgitated the fish

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a little gross

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but the claim has precedence and is more

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likely than other suggestions such as

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tornadoes

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you can also hear more about this on a

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recent episode of brian dunning's

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skeptoid podcast

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religion and australia

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according to results of the 2021 census

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the number of australians who said they

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had no religion rose to 38.9 percent

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from 30.1

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in 2016.

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for the first time fewer than half of

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australians identified as christian

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though christianity remained the

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nation's most common religion declared

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by 43.9 percent of the population in

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1966 the figure was about 90

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the abs says migration has affected the

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trend since

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though much of the change is due to the

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growth of atheists and secular beliefs

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there were however falls in the number

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of jedis and pastafarians

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dry needling and acupuncture

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an article in the conversation suggests

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that dry needling a western version of

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acupuncture practiced by some

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physiotherapists offers more than

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placebo results in pain relief

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so an interesting thing is i did

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actually look at this article and what i

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found really interesting is after it's

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stating that hey this study found that

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it actually does have some effect it

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would say however there were problems

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with the study or

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more study needs to happen so the usual

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i'm a little bit hesitant to agree with

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how to get people who believe in

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pseudoscience to trust science

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the answer is not to suggest believers

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are silly or worse but to look at how

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they got to believe the nature of

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evidence falsifiability etc in a

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discussive rather than confrontational

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way

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quote if people can dig themselves into

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pseudoscience they can dig themselves

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out end quote

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paranormal experiences are the norm

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not the exception

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a recent study published in spirituality

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in clinical practice which went through

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20 peer-reviewed papers has suggested a

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new term for hauntings and ghostly

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experiences

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haunted people syndrome

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it's glorious

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[Music]

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quote haunting phenomena are complex

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intertwined phenomena involving

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personality ideology culture and

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previous experience towards making sense

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of an event or series of events deemed

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haunting end quote psychologist brian

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lathe explained

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exactly where the researchers sit on the

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reality of anomalous phenomena is less

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clear

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the june issue of the skeptic magazine

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is now out in digital form and will hit

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the streets in hard copy soon

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it has a special feature on

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pseudoscience riding on the coattails of

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genuine science i kind of noticed that's

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a trend

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and if you haven't subscribed yet now is

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the time to do so to subscribe to the

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skeptic go to our shop to sign up for a

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hard copy or digital edition or both the

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take up the hard copy version

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learn more about our magazine and

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items of interest

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haunted alexa video goes viral

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commenters quick to debunk

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a ghost video features spooky voices and

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noises with alexa chipping in with

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ghostly comments the video looks staged

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to us like why is the guy sleeping on

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the lounge and there are ways that you

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can dictate messages to an alexa speaker

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which will then voice the messages

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unprompted

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a text-to-voice feature also exists

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which allows you to dictate messages via

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text to your alexa isn't technology a

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wonder

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loch ness monster may live in a parallel

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a handy explanation as to why there

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isn't any decent evidence it applies

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well that's all for this week and until

565
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,440
next time this is adrian hill signing

566
00:24:26,430 --> 00:24:23,440
off from the land of the friendly giant

567
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:26,440
and his friends rusty and jerome

568
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:43,029
join us on thursday the 7th of july for

569
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:50,789
this month ross caldo oloni founder of

570
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,360
aletto will share the science and

571
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:55,760
secrets of ice cream

572
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:58,480
find out why ice cream needs fat and

573
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,440
sugar why having air in ice cream is

574
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,919
good and how the science enables recipes

575
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:05,840
to be scaled up

576
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:06,799
hint

577
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,640
it's all about the physics of moving

578
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:10,880
large volumes of ingredients and mixes

579
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,880
between equipment

580
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:14,799
roz will explain the differences between

581
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:17,760
ice cream gelato sorbet frozen yogurt

582
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:21,440
and vegan frozen desserts as well as the

583
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,880
low fat and low sugar and health star

584
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:27,600
ratings including which is actually

585
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,039
healthier

586
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,679
roz will also share the best way to eat

587
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:32,880
ice cream

588
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,279
including not letting your tongue freeze

589
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:37,679
and her secrets of making great ice

590
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:39,039
cream at home

591
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,200
no one tells you these tips that sydney

592
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,559
skeptics in the pub thursday the 7th of

593
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,440
july from 7pm

594
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,360
for more information check out the link

595
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:53,760
in this week's show notes or see

596
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,600
australian skeptics in the pub at meetup

597
00:26:08,090 --> 00:26:00,320
by searching for aust

598
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:18,890
[Music]

599
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:24,950
now it's time once again to look into

600
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,720
those pages at trove at troph.nla.gov.eu

601
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:30,240
the online resource from the australian

602
00:26:35,430 --> 00:26:31,679
government and the national library of

603
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,440
australia digitized newspapers primarily

604
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:37,840
but also magazines other journals

605
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,799
gazettes weeklies periodicals

606
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:43,520
no end of interesting things for you

607
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:46,559
to search to your heart's content and of

608
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:48,240
course over the last year or so we have

609
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:49,440
been

610
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:52,240
making full use of the trove archives

611
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,590
and being the skeptic zone our common

612
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,679
theme has been skeptical

613
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:03,279
material

614
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:04,720
and this week we're going to be looking

615
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:06,080
for references in the australian

616
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,279
newspapers

617
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:09,120
to one

618
00:27:12,130 --> 00:27:10,559
yuri

619
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:12,140
yellow

620
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,389
yuri gela is an interesting character in

621
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:20,480
the annals of skepticism

622
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,480
partly because

623
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,440
these days depending on how old you are

624
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:26,720
the name

625
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,360
may not be familiar to you now anyone

626
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,600
like me who's been in the skeptical game

627
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,880
for a while

628
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:34,880
and remembers the uh

629
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:37,279
the events of the 1970s to a degree i

630
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,559
was quite young

631
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,559
will remember yuri gellar because he was

632
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,120
famous for traveling the world

633
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,960
and

634
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:46,080
really

635
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:50,720
bending spoons and a couple of other

636
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:53,120
what words should i use here a couple of

637
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,080
other

638
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,880
performances urigella claimed he could

639
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,120
bend spoons and other

640
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,440
miraculous things by using unknown

641
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,679
powers while magicians

642
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,240
magicians notably james randy

643
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:08,559
pointed out that everything that geller

644
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:09,520
did

645
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:10,480
could be

646
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:13,120
relatively easily reproduced

647
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,120
by cundras using standard known

648
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,279
illusions

649
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,520
now let me read from the wikipedia page

650
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,760
of uruguay yuri gellar born 20th of

651
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:26,240
december 1946 making him 75 at the

652
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,200
moment

653
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,240
is an israeli british illusionist

654
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:32,880
magician television personality and

655
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:34,559
self-proclaimed

656
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:36,960
psychic he is known for his trademark

657
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,840
television performances of spoon mending

658
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:42,159
and other illusions

659
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:43,919
geller uses countering tricks to

660
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:46,480
simulate the effects of psychokinesis

661
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,760
and telepathy

662
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,679
geller's career as an entertainer has

663
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,840
spanned more than four decades with

664
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,840
television shows and appearances in many

665
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:55,919
countries magicians have called gel a

666
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:58,640
fraud due to his claims of possessing

667
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,960
truly psychic powers

668
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:03,360
so that's interesting that wiki

669
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,480
states in the opening paragraph

670
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,960
geller uses conjuring tricks to simulate

671
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,039
the effects of psychokinesis and

672
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:13,120
telepathy of course there's a very

673
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,799
interesting book written by james randy

674
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,960
called the magic of yuri gala which was

675
00:29:18,669 --> 00:29:17,919
later

676
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,679
uh

677
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,880
re-published under the title of the

678
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,200
truth about yuri gellar and if you

679
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,279
haven't read that i recommend that book

680
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,039
it's the

681
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,320
most most interesting and enlightening

682
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:31,919
and over the years

683
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,480
i have learned what many years ago

684
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,480
i learned how to bend spoons just like

685
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:37,840
yuri gala

686
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,720
but when i do it i use

687
00:29:45,669 --> 00:29:42,559
conjuring tricks that i practice and

688
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,679
practice and practice

689
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:47,279
some people have asked me over the years

690
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:48,240
whether

691
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,200
they think yuri geller may be just

692
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:53,360
innocently deceiving himself that he has

693
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,720
such powers

694
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,120
the only thing i can say to that

695
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,120
is that in order to bend and break

696
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:01,279
spoons the way geller does and the way i

697
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,399
do

698
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,720
you have to practice it

699
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,720
as the decades roll on

700
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,600
gela is now more or less

701
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:12,000
a character from the past

702
00:30:17,909 --> 00:30:15,760
in 1992 geller filed a 15 million

703
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,919
lawsuit against james randy and the

704
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:19,919
committee for the investigation of

705
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,039
claims of the paranormal for statements

706
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:25,520
made in an international herald tribune

707
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:26,640
interview

708
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,000
in 1991 but was unsuccessful because the

709
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:33,440
statutes of limitations had expired

710
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:34,240
and

711
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:39,039
about the run-ins he had with yuri

712
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:40,240
gellar who

713
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:42,000
at one stage or other

714
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,000
would tend to sue people

715
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,399
and before we get into the items from

716
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:48,640
trove i will say that when you know how

717
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,159
to do spoon bending you know the

718
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:52,000
mechanics of it

719
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,600
the patter

720
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:55,520
as the magicians say and you see

721
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,080
somebody else for example possibly

722
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,039
somebody from israel bending spoons

723
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:03,200
in the video archives and television

724
00:31:05,990 --> 00:31:04,559
appearances

725
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:06,000
your reaction is

726
00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:07,200
oh

727
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:12,550
when you know how a trick is done

728
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,799
[Music]

729
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,399
and our first return comes from the in

730
00:31:23,029 --> 00:31:20,640
1975 just after the

731
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:23,039
the main hype of yuri gellar although he

732
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,960
was still very well known very well

733
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,120
known at the time

734
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:30,000
from the australian jewish news

735
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:33,679
dated the 14th of february the secrets

736
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:36,159
of mr geller

737
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,679
skepticism

738
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:39,279
and research

739
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,039
australian audiences will soon be

740
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,200
experiencing the strange happenings that

741
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:45,440
seem to accompany yuri gala

742
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:49,679
wherever he takes his one-man show

743
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:52,559
knives and forks have been bent broken

744
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,519
watches restarted and feats of apparent

745
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:57,519
telepathy performed

746
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:01,120
no generally accepted explanation is yet

747
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,399
forthcoming

748
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:04,240
i'll just stop there and say to that

749
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:05,760
well depends on who you asked at the

750
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,590
the magicians were under no illusions

751
00:32:15,990 --> 00:32:12,960
let me say

752
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,000
although the phenomenon of mr geller the

753
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,000
israeli ex-paratrooper is new to

754
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:20,720
australia he is well known in israel

755
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:22,559
britain and the united states for his

756
00:32:29,029 --> 00:32:25,760
performances he claims to be doing these

757
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:29,039
strange things not as an illusionist

758
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:30,720
using sleight of hand or deceptive

759
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:33,360
material but as someone

760
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:36,480
invested with a previously unappreciated

761
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:39,200
power he is prepared to back up this

762
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,399
claim very convincingly by performing in

763
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:44,799
such auspicious surroundings as the back

764
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:47,840
of a taxi in the company of the science

765
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:51,360
correspondent of the sunday times if he

766
00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:53,679
is an illusionist he runs the risk of

767
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:56,320
being detected every time he shows off

768
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,519
his skills

769
00:33:02,549 --> 00:32:59,760
particularly when his performance goes

770
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:02,559
on to videotape and let me break here

771
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:05,679
once again and say i have many many many

772
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:08,000
of yuri geller's yuri gala's

773
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,000
performances

774
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,480
which were filmed and videotaped in my

775
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,240
archives and

776
00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:16,640
that's interesting viewing goes on

777
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:19,360
further any stagehand knows how an

778
00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:23,519
illusion works but none has yet revealed

779
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,320
mr geller's secrets another break to say

780
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:29,279
with in the case of um

781
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,559
feats similar to what yuri gellar did

782
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,880
then a stagehand would um

783
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:37,360
would wouldn't see what was going on

784
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,640
it's uh it's a bit of an irrelevant

785
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,039
argument it needs to be said however

786
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:45,440
that not everyone is convinced that mr

787
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,720
geller is other than a great illusionist

788
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,399
and there seems to be somewhat more

789
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,399
skepticism in israel

790
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,480
and the united states than was developed

791
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,440
in britain nevertheless he has clearly

792
00:34:02,789 --> 00:33:59,679
created a prima facie case for further

793
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:02,799
investigation even though he has already

794
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:06,080
been examined extensively by a team at

795
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,440
stanford research institute and i refer

796
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,159
back to the book the truth about yuri

797
00:34:17,589 --> 00:34:15,359
geller for james randy's take on those

798
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:17,599
so-called tests

799
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:19,359
draws crowds

800
00:34:23,909 --> 00:34:20,720
trick-or-treat

801
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:23,919
key bender and watch mender irigella

802
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:26,320
draws thousands with his demonstrations

803
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:30,000
of energy transference and mind reading

804
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:33,839
open and sincere 27 year old mr geller

805
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:36,560
says his powers came from and quote

806
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:40,480
outside in quote source and he seems as

807
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:43,760
excited as his audience when it

808
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,040
works

809
00:34:50,310 --> 00:34:47,520
he has established his celebrity status

810
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:50,320
with a combination of unparalleled

811
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,320
accomplishments all over the world in

812
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:54,879
front of thousands of witnesses he calls

813
00:35:00,150 --> 00:34:57,599
his performances a quote lecture

814
00:35:02,069 --> 00:35:00,160
demonstration end quote and says i

815
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:02,079
lecture and demonstrate if nothing

816
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,720
happens i just lecture what in fact he

817
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:07,200
achieves in the course of some two hours

818
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:08,560
is

819
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:12,160
to reproduce the name of a city and a

820
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,000
drawing chalked by a member of the

821
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:16,880
audience on a blackboard and then erased

822
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,520
again while he is blindfolded to

823
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:21,839
describe a woman's clothes

824
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,320
while blindfolded to establish a

825
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:27,119
particular color chosen by a member of

826
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,560
the audience

827
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:30,640
to get some watches from hundreds of

828
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:33,599
broken ones submitted by the audience to

829
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,960
work again

830
00:35:37,670 --> 00:35:36,160
to bend

831
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,680
several keys

832
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:39,599
all this is strung together with a

833
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:42,400
continuous flow of personalized chatter

834
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:45,839
relaxed informal and unshowy

835
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,880
he has a way to involve an audience with

836
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:50,160
himself

837
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:51,119
open

838
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,480
mind

839
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:55,680
he does not always succeed at first

840
00:36:02,230 --> 00:35:59,119
but he tries again his little misses are

841
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,240
in his favor of course because they made

842
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,040
the second effort look more remarkable

843
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,040
it does seem that mr geller has more

844
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:09,599
success in intimate groups rather than

845
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,440
in front of hundreds

846
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,760
the true cynic would say that the

847
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,960
failures

848
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,560
are deliberate

849
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:18,560
but there is no place in yuri gellar's

850
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,280
show for cynics the only way to enjoy

851
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,440
his demonstration is to go into it with

852
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:24,800
an open mind

853
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,160
and simply marvel at his achievements

854
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:31,440
yuri gellar uses his powers be they

855
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:35,400
psychic or telepathic or

856
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:36,960
extraterrestrial

857
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:39,599
in an almost unspectacular manner with

858
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,640
astonishing end results

859
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,400
yuri geller's melbourne appearance will

860
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:46,400
be on march 19th

861
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:47,839
in the town hall

862
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,000
other dates newcastle civic theatre

863
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,880
march 5 sydney town hall march 7.

864
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,200
brisbane town hall march 8th perth

865
00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:57,359
concert hall march 15

866
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,880
adelaide apollo march 18.

867
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,119
now the late simon turnbull the

868
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,800
president of the australian psychics

869
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:06,240
association

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00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:09,359
who i knew over the years

871
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,599
told me of his uh

872
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:14,000
attending the yuri gala performance in

873
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:18,000
the sydney town hall way back in 1975

874
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,520
and assured me

875
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,280
that yuri gellar really did bend the

876
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,760
spoon using psychic palace because

877
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:25,280
simon saw it

878
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:26,560
for himself

879
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:29,599
when i bent a spoon for simon

880
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,430
interesting

881
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,760
and then he said and i kid you not and

882
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,839
i've probably related this story before

883
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,200
he said to me

884
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:43,440
when you did it richard it was a trick

885
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:46,000
but when yuri gellar did it it was real

886
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:47,599
psychic power

887
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,560
and our next entry comes once again from

888
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,200
the australian jewish times

889
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,160
and this is dated the 29th of november

890
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:58,560
1984.

891
00:38:02,829 --> 00:38:01,760
yuri gellar predicts great israeli

892
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:02,839
event

893
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:05,920
jerusalem spoon bending yuri gallo

894
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:08,640
returned to israel last week with a

895
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:10,960
prediction that something great will

896
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:13,280
happen in the country within the next

897
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:14,160
three

898
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:16,720
months it was this premonition that

899
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:20,079
brought the 37 year old psychic home for

900
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:22,720
a month-long visit geller who has been

901
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:25,119
abroad for more than 10 years declined

902
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,480
to reveal

903
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:29,359
what he expected to take place it will

904
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,400
not be a war was all he would say

905
00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:34,800
with the promise of more details towards

906
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:36,560
the end of his stay

907
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,240
geller says he made a small fortune in

908
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:42,240
the us where he has been using his

909
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:44,720
psychic powers to help major

910
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,359
corporations in their quest for gold and

911
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,079
other valuable minerals i have only had

912
00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:51,920
30 success

913
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:53,839
meaning that most of the time i don't

914
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,839
find anything he said

915
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,359
but when i do

916
00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:00,000
then both the prospectors and i profit

917
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,520
he beamed

918
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:03,599
geller also offered to help israeli

919
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:07,040
sources interested in looking for oil he

920
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:08,800
said he is also available to help in

921
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:10,960
security matters if his services are

922
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:12,079
required

923
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,040
geller

924
00:39:18,790 --> 00:39:16,079
said he had recently undertaken tests at

925
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,800
tokyo university where under

926
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:20,720
scientifically controlled conditions he

927
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:23,920
managed to erase a computer tape

928
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,480
but gala claimed he is tired of the

929
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:28,960
continuous round of tests and

930
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:32,000
experiments which he said were usually

931
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,280
connected with the cia or other american

932
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,440
security agencies

933
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,520
he said he had agreed to take part in

934
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,000
the tests only because the russians are

935
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:44,560
active in psychic research

936
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:49,200
fearful of a kgb kidnap attempt

937
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:51,680
gala said he is protected by bodyguards

938
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:52,880
abroad

939
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,760
he will give several performances

940
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:57,599
in israel

941
00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:00,720
what an important man yuri gallery is my

942
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:02,000
goodness me

943
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,599
let me see now

944
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:06,000
this was from november 1984 so we're

945
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:07,920
looking for

946
00:40:13,470 --> 00:40:12,400
a major event

947
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:13,480
of

948
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:16,240
unspecified detail that occurred in

949
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,400
israel from

950
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:20,800
december 1984

951
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:23,520
december january february something like

952
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,000
that 1985

953
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,839
and a quick scan of the first few months

954
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:29,680
of 1985

955
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,800
reveals nothing

956
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,040
hugely outstanding

957
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,720
but i guess this reminds me of the great

958
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,880
australian psychic prediction project

959
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,960
where we went back and checked all these

960
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,119
grandiose predictions made by psychics

961
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:45,040
over the years

962
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,720
and to round off we have a couple of

963
00:40:50,309 --> 00:40:48,560
shorter notices once again from the

964
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:50,319
australian jewish news

965
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:55,040
date of the 23rd of march 2001

966
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,560
gala to pay

967
00:41:00,790 --> 00:40:58,720
when yuri geller is invited to a

968
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:00,800
function he usually ends up performing

969
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,319
for his supper according to the guardian

970
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:06,240
that's exactly what happened at a recent

971
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,520
bar mitzvah

972
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,920
at which the israeli-born spoonbender

973
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:11,839
demonstrated his talents

974
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:14,800
after the event however the bar mitzvah

975
00:41:19,030 --> 00:41:17,200
boy's father received an email from a

976
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:19,040
manager at the hotel

977
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,960
where the function was held

978
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,520
informing him that the bill for the

979
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:25,440
party would include

980
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:29,200
a charge for the cutlery that geller

981
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:30,720
ruined

982
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:34,160
now i'll stop here and i

983
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:35,520
wonder if that's

984
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,319
um i wonder if that really happened

985
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:40,880
or if that was

986
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,240
a publicity stunt the whole story

987
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:46,480
we may never know

988
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:47,839
and finally

989
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,640
once again the australian jewish news

990
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,800
published on the 24th of november in the

991
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,720
year 2000

992
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,359
gela bent on justice

993
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,000
israeli psychic yuri gela

994
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:03,520
is suing computer game giant nintendo

995
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,480
for allegedly basing an evil pokemon

996
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,319
character on him

997
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,040
geller who claims he can bend spoons by

998
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,200
using mind power has made the claim

999
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,520
because the pokemon character

1000
00:42:20,230 --> 00:42:16,960
yangela

1001
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,240
carries a spoon and gives his victims

1002
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:25,910
geller recently declared that he was

1003
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,040
responsible for stalling the cauldron on

1004
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,839
its ascent during the opening ceremony

1005
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,000
of the sydney olympic games

1006
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:36,560
he did it as part of his quest

1007
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,240
for global nuclear disarmament he said

1008
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:41,920
that's interesting because i seem to

1009
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:44,560
remember at the time geller claimed

1010
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:45,839
he uh

1011
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:48,319
he started the cauldron once it became

1012
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:51,450
stalled using his special powers

1013
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:57,589
so there we are some news from the past

1014
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,560
about

1015
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:00,960
a character from the past

1016
00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:03,760
yuri gellar the famous spoonbender

1017
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:06,240
from israel who wowed audiences around

1018
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,280
the world

1019
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,119
with his

1020
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,079
performances

1021
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:14,240
you too can be wowed from around the

1022
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:17,200
world by checking out the uh archives at

1023
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,309
trove.nla.gov.a you

1024
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:24,000
type in your search

1025
00:43:31,140 --> 00:43:26,480
and you never know what spoons you might

1026
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:43,670
[Music]

1027
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:45,040
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1028
00:43:50,309 --> 00:43:48,720
zone podcast as i keep my walk along

1029
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:50,319
walking along here the footpath the

1030
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:51,520
sidewalk

1031
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,640
near a

1032
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,359
near motorway very loud

1033
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,119
i'm passing one of the e-scooters

1034
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:59,119
chained to a pole which seemed to be

1035
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,319
everywhere

1036
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,839
coming up on next week's show i should

1037
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,000
be able to bring you an interview with

1038
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,960
none other than susan gerbic from

1039
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:09,119
gorilla skepticism on wikipedia i'll be

1040
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:11,760
seeing her a bit later on this week i'm

1041
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:14,640
really looking forward to that

1042
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:15,839
and you never know what you're going to

1043
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:18,240
get with susan she's

1044
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:20,000
she always reminds me of the energizer

1045
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:22,720
bunny always on the go

1046
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,839
but until then we're the last uh

1047
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,119
reminder

1048
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:29,040
to myself to thank you

1049
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:30,720
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1050
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1051
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1052
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:37,599
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1053
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